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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 06 Dec 2002 : 12:10:18 PM
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As a new committee person I am aware that many believe the HMRAV only supports P3 machines. Today this is not the case, to do so would mean financial death and no membership. Currently P2 bikes just do not front in any numbers P3 are shrinking and P4 have the biggest fields. We have just involved P5 so we get newbies involved, but the numbers are very low at this stage. As a sidecar rider I would have no trouble with the idea of kicking all the two wheelers away and just running a meeting for the true Gentlemen of the circuits, Sidecars. But I just cannot get the support, I suppose that is always the case when the masses just do not understand.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 04 Feb 2003 : 10:07:23 PM
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| I have a meeting with MA about future directions. the concept is to present ideas for the imporved financial basis of Historic racing. Any ideas are welcome. I dont want to hear about how a particular machine will beat another, but ideas which can be implemented by any committee. Free beer for all sidecar riders etc. Seriously, promotion, working with the media, attracting spectators. Specific concepts are needed. Thanks |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 04 Feb 2003 : 10:28:45 PM
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John, just a thought but how about a historic broadford, similar to the Austin 7 clubs historic winton. The circuit is close to melbourne and the historic car guys would,I think appreciate a new track to race on. It may introduce the track to a whole new breed of spectators to the circuit.
Also In Pit Lane on channel 31 in melbourne on I think Tuesday nights may be helpfull. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 08:25:37 AM
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Ron,
I think you have a good idea there. I am involved with Benalla Auto Club as Scrutineer for car events. While they usually don't thrill me too much, some of them are really good. In particular open wheelers such as Formula Ford, and the old 500cc rear engined cars such as Cooper Japs and Cooper Manxes. It would be good to encourage them, however I don't know how you could lose the saloon cars. Even Formula Vee wouldn't be too bad.
On the Channel 31 suggestion - I think it must be really boring to run a TV station and it can't be too interesting finding good copy.
A few interviews with Historic racing personalities like Ken Lucas and John Trease might just go over quite well.
I believe it might be a matter of doing a bit of snooping around, and asking a few questions. Who do we know at RMIT (I believe they run the station)?
We certainly can't lose by promoting our sport this way. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 10:06:38 AM
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| I have had a chat with the Austin 7 club. They feel there is scope for it. There are many vehicles which could be suited. I have had discussions with MV track inspector who has advised that there are plans inhand to have the track fully licensed for Cams events to permit use of the track for mid week for promotional income and Super Karts. Austin 7 club cannot promote any meeting because of existing committments, but they would help with advise. So perhaps we need volunteers to help with some preliminary planning and investigation, names and numbers please. I shall set up another discussion topic so this can be dealt with separatley. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 11:20:43 AM
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| couple of Q Q1 wont cams have to approve the track for car racing Q 2 Do motoecyclist want their track ripped up by cars? Who want yes V8 ripping around b/frod! track was designed for motorcycles!Q3 Has MAvic been asked about this? |
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Allan
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Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 11:22:39 AM
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| Q4 Where are all the new safty fences to be placed look at winton GEE more things to hit when I run off GREAT! |
Allan Greening |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 2:02:32 PM
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| I have shifted the discussion to the Historic Broadford topic. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 09:07:22 AM
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John, I have noticed a couple of groups of older guys who ride classic motorcycles around the countryside. Last year one of the groups had a rally and stopped at Glenrowan.
In historic motorcycling there seems to be two groups - the racers, and the restorers. I suggest it could be beneficial to coordinate a few activities through your club. It might be interesting to run an early morning trial for historic road machines terminating at Historic Broadford or Historic Winton.
The trial could be run similarly to the old British Trials. Could bring you a few members with a slightly different outlook.
The group that stopped at Glenrowan had Guzzi Falcone, SS100 Brough, and R7 AJS, and quite a few other interesting bikes. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 11:02:49 AM
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| Good idea Alan, can somebody mention the concept to the relevant clubs, or give me details of the clubs here and I shall follow up. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 09 Feb 2003 : 2:13:52 PM
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I must admit to being a bit confused about the direction of the HMRAV.
Alan's suggestion of having trials or rallies ending at race meetings is an obvious one, if you're not going to race them you might as ride them. Lets see it happen.
But I find it odd when the HMRAV takes to promoting car racing and modern bikes. Beyond Historic Winton, which is an institution, why do we want to be involved with another sport.
To support cars at Broadford is ridiculous, its called the State Motorcycling Complex, or Reg Hunt Park, it was built specifically to provide for all forms of motorcyle sport. A huge amount of volunteer labour has gone into it, all sourced from the motorcycle community over the years, we even went to race meetings called "Bitumen For Broadford". It was all about developing a motorcycle only complex which wouldn't get buggered up by cars and trucks. I reakon everyone involved over the years is pretty proud. Some of them will be turning in their graves over such a suggestion. Remember that every dollar that went into Broadford was generated via motorcycling.
It seems some people have got short memories, or maybe they are not old enough to have a developed a memory yet.
Seeing as the HMRAV is prepared to promote modern BEARS at the Victorian Historic Championships they should consider adding a feature event of things to come, BEARS truck racing, limit it to Macks, Kenworths & Volvo's.
If some idiot in MAV is suggesting running cars at Broadford the HMRAV should be lobbying against it, not opening supporting it. Part of that lobbying should be asking MAV if they have the right to make such a decision. |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 09 Feb 2003 : 2:27:30 PM
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Al very true in all you said  "no cars for B/ford as the track is designed for bikes only in the first place! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 09 Feb 2003 : 6:25:25 PM
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| Listen up fellas the HMRAv is not yet supporting car racing at Broadford. The idea has been floated and as Secretary it is part of my job to get discussion happenning and see what the outcome is. Currently there is little discussion at all, the committee has not even discussed it and I have drawn everybodies attension to the fact that nothing would happen for 2 years, so there is time to get all thoughts out. Mind you, off site somebody asked about, small cars with motorcycle engines, TQ's were they called. As for promoting Modern BEARS, please remember the BEARS come as a package,up to 1980 BEARS and post1980 BEARS. We cannot just pick the pre 1980 BEARS because they just do not seem to front despite all the claims that they are out there. As a new administrator I am aware that many people just do not put their bikes where their mouths are. Now the offer has been acceptted because we cannot find another way to get meetings into profit. We must have them in profit to keep running them.The alternative is no meetings which may be not what people had in mind. So whilst your feelings about mixing with moderns is accepptted we need alternatives that are workable to make meetings profitable. Please vent your thoughts about the bad concepts but can you slip a couple of good ones in as well. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 08:42:31 AM
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| John,the historic club over here in SA have run meetings with BEARS and they have been a resounding success.In fact last year the SA Champ series was run with moderns over three rounds and every body benefitted.There is not enough racers in general here,and with the track being shut for much of the year,it was a good thing for both sides of the sport.(I am not on any committes etc,this is my observations only) |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 11:42:13 AM
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I had a talk with Scottie of Ozbears the other day. The upshot was that the BEARS often run a mixed class with the Big modern Ducatis in the same races with 600cc Pantahs, and 'Heritage' Bears (pre 68). Personally I don't have a problem running in races where there are a few really fast bikes, you can still win your class, even if you'll never be first across the line.
The good thing is that the races will have no the other type of bike in them, I think its largely irrelevant if Rex or a 996 Ducati is in front. The big thing is that the field won't usually have four cylinder bikes or two strokes in it.
Anyone who saw Craig McMartin at the V8s at Winton two years ago, will know how good the big dukes look, sound and go. Incidentally his time was 1 min. 23 secs, so that's how fast you have to go to get with him!
This BEARS thing is very exciting, and I really want to ride in that type of event. The sound should be something else. There should be some very close racing.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 9:16:59 PM
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| Well it seems everybody is in for their bit. We have had an approach from a Harley Sporters Racing Group to promote a meeting together. What are the thoughts of people please? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 03:31:15 AM
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Harley Sportsters should normally be able to run in BEARS races, so that's four rides in a weekend. Ask them what's the best Sporty time around Winton, and if they're faster than Guesty on Lucas's Vincent give them the big A out of P5 races, if they're slower I suggest they should be able to run in P5 (petrol only).
Looks like you might be getting a few more entries John. |
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Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 12:44:34 PM
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| There was "the other type of bike" in other historic races thru the year and no one seemed to mind.What is it with you? |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 3:47:41 PM
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| Nev I am not sure about what your comment is about. I ride the other type of bike, but the issue about the post 1962 machines was related to the Geelong Sprints and the requirements of the organisers there. Is that what you were talking about? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 11 Feb 2003 : 3:55:12 PM
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Ok folks I have set a rule in place that stops this bashing about Jap bikes. You will now see the other type of bike in it's place.
Stop bashing each other and work together to improve the sport.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2003 : 12:12:02 AM
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| I have just attended a general meeting of the HMRAV where not a single person other than half the committee turnedup. I carried the request to consider the 500cc single concept and it belted out of the place with ridicule. I do not even ride the damned things and if riders do not get in there and give support in the from of letters to clubs about what ever issue you have in mind nothing will improve. The major point tonight is dealt with in the 500 single topic suffice to say I doubt I will go to bat for any solo activity until I see support in my hand. Currently the only direction I see for Historic Racing in Victoria is slowly down and out. Within 5 years there will be nothing if people do not look at all the issues and atract spectators and the next generation of riders and machines. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2003 : 2:27:30 PM
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| Good try John! Conservatism is big amongst motorcyclists. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2003 : 2:35:04 PM
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| John, I'm still inclined to build a 4 valve Jawa into the Seeley next year. As I said before, it seems a pity to have literally thousands of speedway motors lying around, and the capability to build a decent classic bike out of them, and not find even one class in which such a bike might be competitive. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2003 : 3:08:12 PM
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| I wonder if what I am observing is the last resistance to allowing P5 from entering the Historic racing scene. It was drawn to my attension that some people just poor scorn on the idea and with respect to others I have observed a hardened attituide to even post classic. So unless people learn to accept that P5 is now part of Historic racing, as decreed by MA we will continue to have these argy bargy times. Now I am aware that many dont like MA but maybe we need to separate them into two separate disputes MA and P5 riders and just get with promoting and participating in the racing. Otherwise we will all be punch druck and too tired to go racing anyway. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2003 : 10:55:03 AM
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| The HMRAV has had an approach from the Harley Sporters group who are looking for rides at meetings. Currently we are looking at having them as a support class at the Southern Classic with 2 rides per day and at the VIC Historic Champs as part of the BEARS program. With this year being the 100 year we have had to suffer the Harley's there may be a promotion angle we can use. Any thoughts about how we may promote or to whom we could promote the all suffering public and Harleys. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 05 Mar 2003 : 11:06:21 PM
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John, The vintage club may be interested in something to do with Harleys.
You would be surprised at the number of people in that club that own Harleys and Indians.
Also, get in touch with Live to Ride Magazine and Oz Bike Magazine, they have both in the past run articles about Historic Racing, not only Harleys but Brit bikes as well. If it brings a few more through the gate it will have been worth it. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 09:58:32 AM
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| Ron do you have any contact names and pone numbers? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
599 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2003 : 10:11:26 AM
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| John try Norton Owners club in Bendigo! |
Allan Greening |
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Posted - 07 Mar 2003 : 10:26:28 PM
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John, I am not sure if these are current but they will find their way eventually to the right people I think.
Live to Ride Magazine - live2ride@fpc.com.au
Editor is Pugsley
Assistant Editor is Loaf
OZ Bike Magazine - Editor Kelly Ashton, a Historic racer from way back - ed@ozbike.com.au
Finally I only have a Copy of the Vintage clubs Journal from February 1996 and it only has names and telephone numbers. I will get these to you another way rather than over the web. They are private telephone numbers.
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 09 Mar 2003 : 10:00:06 AM
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| Thanks ron I have followed those up. Alan do you have a contact point for the Norton Owners in Bendigo. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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