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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 07:52:35 AM
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I am aware a plan to run stock CB750 hondas floundered. But I am getting calls from people wondering if it may work now since there may be a small growth in the machine numbers. I am fishing to simply see if there would be actuall support for such a plan.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 12:15:01 PM
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John, I am wondering whether the 650 sidecar class could be extended to include 'stock' Honda 750s. Sorry to show my ignorance about things sidecar, but I would have thought that a good 650 Triumph would blow a 'stock' 750 Honda to the weeds.
I suggest it would be worthwhile to write 'event specifications' for all suggested new classes of racing. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 8:50:44 PM
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I've got a few questions about sidecars. I believe that about 1970 there were two classes of sidecar - senior (unlimited) and junior (up to 650cc). Apparently Barry Marshall lobbied the ACU and managed to get the junior changed to 500cc limit - he didn't tell anyone he had the Konig two stroke 500 coming, and eventually won a lot of races with it. In the senior I think I remenber Denny McCormack running an H2 with an extra cylinder to make it 1000cc.
The question is - is the 650 sidecar class the equivalent of Historic Junior Sidecar class?
Would it be worthwhile making a Historic Junior Sidecar class with 650cc limit for 'hotties', but allow unmodified motors of 750cc regardless of whether they are CB750s, H2s or Z750s or GS750s? Cutoff date could be 1972 or even later. By unmodified I mean petrol fuel, no hot cams, close to standard capacity and compression, no trick carbies.
Might mean a few more entries! |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 11:23:09 PM
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I think this is all getting out of hand. We have re established a legitimate 650cc class to encourage 550cc Suzuki's,650cc trumpies, yamahas etc that had vibrant competition until the Junior class was abolished some time in the later 70,s. I competed succesfully with a 550 Suzuki. The 750cc Hondas are a completly different kettle of fish having come out in 1968/9 and competed sucessfully in the Senior field with up to about 836 / 900cc donks, and to frig around increasing the 650cc capacity to accommodate 750cc in my mind is the same nonsence as has happenned with the Solos. You are distorting the facts beyond belief. We are not trying to get Hot 650cc trumpies beating stock Honda's, we all know that would happen anyway. The stock 750cc class was tried by Hartwell I think, and it seems to have disappeared because of lack of interest or what ever. But I have had a number of people, 4 in fact ask would it be reasonable to try and save $4000 on a engine rebuild to 836 or bigger if there were enough stockies around to try again. I am only signalling the fact that some are talking about trying the idea again.
So please dont fiddle with the 650cc proposal it would completley destroy any plans for riders to bring out quick, not hot Yamahas, Suzukis and Trumpies again and they would lay around in sheds for another 30 years. As you may be aware I am a sidecar gent and I want nothing better than to rebuild the grids to 40 machine which was the size I raced against during the 1970's. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 14 Mar 2003 : 3:04:19 PM
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Seems to me your comment reflects on riders honesty and the old problem of guys who cheat by increasing capacities of their engines.
If you are talking about using stock 750cc Hondas, surely that means STOCK - NOT 836cc.
A few years ago Lindsay Urquardt brought out a BMW replica of what he raced in the late sixties. He got smartly blown to the weeds by the 1040cc CB750s. The bike got sold off and I haven't seen it again.
The problem isn't what year or 'period' the bikes belong to, it's a problem of CHEATING ON CAPACITY. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 14 Mar 2003 : 3:44:04 PM
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| The story is that there are a number of stock motors around, particularly in WA. Some people in the past have indicated that within Vic. there may be a shortage of stock engines, and parts for 836cc are readily available. I was just letting people know that some are asking is there enough 750cc engined sidecars around. Dont forget that the unlimited class does allow for upto 1300cc engines no matter what they were in the first place. This idea revolves around a potential group of sidecar riders looking for somebody to actually race against, instead of being blown off by the unlimited machines and maybe competing against the 650cc donks. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2003 : 09:07:40 AM
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John,
Is there currently a 'Junior Sidecar' Class, and what is the capacity limit? My brother Doug has raced sidecar for about thirty years on speedway and is interested in getting into historic road racing.In discussion with him, he has said that the sidecars at historic meetings, all run in the same race due to the small number of entries. Is this correct?
As I understand it the unlimited class is 'unlimited', and we wouldn't be interested in building a motor for that class.
There are plenty of outfits about, however it seems the lack of 'Junior Class' definition, is a bit of a deterrent.
The long and the short of this is- if fair and reasonable classes are going to be developed for the sidecars, we will become a bit more interested in joining in. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 16 Mar 2003 : 7:42:10 PM
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| Currently there is one formal class for sidecars, unlimited.And all machines irrespective of capacity run under that banner. Since becoming involved at an administration level I have mounted a case for the reestablishment of the old 650cc Junior Class. It has been acceptted for HMRAV meetings and we will actually allow the 653cc Yamahas to participate.Personally I hope and that was part of my submission that the Junior class implementation may flush some of the Post Classic outfits that are sitting around. The point about the 750cc Stock Donks was in addition to the spaecial HMRAV junior class, some people are hoping they can get some competition against other 750cc Hondas some where in the main race itself. Mind you if the 650cc outfits dont eventually turn up, I will have more egg of my face, does anybody know how to get rid of it. Sidecar riders are allergic to water!! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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