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acotrel
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Victoria
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 Posted - 11 Mar 2003 : 12:41:54 PM
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John, The Harley idea is probably a good one. Back in the early seventies I raced against (ha ha - got blasted away by) Don Emde on the XR750 Harley. They certainly have a place in history in Victoria.
Might be nice if we developed a formula which permitted bikes to be used which resembled the factory racers. The standard 883s could still get a ride. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 11 Mar 2003 : 9:50:19 PM
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 12:41:55 AM
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Taking on the Sportsters as a supplementary class is not such a bad idea. If historics need a regular supp class then it might be the way to go.
Being twin cylinder 2 valve pushrod 4 strokes with twin shocks, they should feel at home.
Besides that they are a good bunch of blokes who always put on a good show.
And yes I am biased towards Harleys. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 11:29:34 AM
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As far as a race formula is concerned, I suggest it's important to retain the 883 Class that's already running, as a base. It may be possible to allow modified bikes however, for these I suggest the capacity limit should be 750cc, and any fuel allowable. What this would mean is that there would be provision for XR750 (factory racer) replicas.
I don't think I'd ever own a Harley, but when that sporty class race is running, I get the same goosebumps I get, when I see/hear a field of Manxes and G50s. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 12:14:04 PM
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Perhaps it would be worthwhile extending the 750cc Pushrod Class, to include 883 Sporty Harleys which conform to the old Sportster road race formula. Any bike under 750cc could run alcohol by choice, and have unlimited 'hot-up' mods, as long as it is a pushrod machine. The 883 Harleys would have to conform to the stringent rules already in place for their class - no alcohol, standard compression and cams etc.
Could make for excellent racing. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 12 Mar 2003 : 11:42:54 PM
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| Remember we dont need to create another class where the capacities are frigged around and stock machines are driven from the scene, its happenned with all the unlimited classes and they cater for the big bore machines, as an administrator I would feel the sport would be better off if we restricted the push to make everything big bore. I feel it has corrupted good classes and wiped out the whole 650-900cc range of machines from competition unless you want to spend $4-10,000 just to get on the grid today. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 07:59:46 AM
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THIS WAS SENT TO ME AS PART OF ANOTHER EMAIL, what are your thoughts.I believe such an approach will destroy Historic racing." I don't really agree with inviting post 1972 bikes to a CLASSIC meeting, dosn't matter if they are a S/C (god knows I love em) or not. I know that classic racing is going sour but it has been for years. This is most definitly due to the fact that I can do 130mph on a $3000 Suziki 250 with brakes and handling to match and ride it 10 times a year (for the same licence cost) against 20-40 other competors, or buy a $20,000-$30,000 clapped out Manx or G50 and race 3-4 times a year. What HMRAV needs to do is prove to the younger market is that you don't need to do warp factor 10 (or 20 in my case!) to enjoy yourself. Encourage them to try spending $5,000 on a bike with no brakes to speak of, bugger all suspension, an engine that does like stink, a grid load of people just like yourself (on equal footing), alcohol measured by the drum not by the bottle, thrills by the bucket load, a paddock full of other compeditors just waiting to lend you spare parts and advice, a! nd I reckon classic racing 1919-1972 will take off. I know that a lot of current classic racers frown on other racers less than 40 years of age. This is absolute bull****. How old were Hailwood, Ago, Duke, Ivy, Bob Mac, etc when they were riding these bikes with "no brakes, leaking oil etc". HMRAV needs to promote and encourage younger riders to ride these machines or we will spend the rest of our days reading about them not riding 'em. At the end of the day HMRAV must promote and preserve pre '62 racing and encourage pre 72 ."
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Mar 2003 : 12:08:55 PM
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I think we've got another guy here who's 'frozen in time'. When historic racing began in Victoria in October 1973 the objective was stated, but not recorded.
I understood the objective was to preserve the older racing motorcycles, and provide competition for them. At that time my bike was about eighteen years old. I had ridden it in Allpowers C Grade for about eight years, when really it should have been thrown down the tip.
1962 was the first cutoff date, and in 1973 that was about ten years old.
If we preserve the old criteria that makes every bike previous to 1993 HISTORIC!
What I suggest is that we provide some racing at least, for production (factory) racers prior to 1993, even if the racing is 'cross period'. It's simply too easy to lose the really good racing bikes to countries overseas where they cater for them in the normal course of events.
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