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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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 Posted - 29 Mar 2003 : 10:24:07 PM
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I am encouraged to see a couple of new participants in this forum, and some of the older ones seem to be returning to have their say.
Since year dot we were accustomed to joining a club and depending on the ACU representative to put our point of view on rule changes, licences, and every other aspect of how our sport is run.
Trouble is, if the MV rep. isn't particularly interested in some areas (e'g' historic racing), he probably doesn't even report back to the club.
If you are like myself, and joined say, Hartwell - I haven't attended a meeting for about twenty years except for the disbandment of the Post Classic Association a couple of years ago. Simply means that the rule changes in historic races can be pushed through almost unnoticed, and unopposed (if unsatisfactory).
I've noticed a huge number of 'hits' on most of the topics in these forums. Means a lot of people are looking, but not many are having their say.
I am aware that some of the MA/MV Historic Commissioners sometimes have a look at this forum.
If you have strong feelings about anything related to historic racing, and want to make yourself heard. This is a good place to do it! YOU WON'T OFTEN GET 'FLAMED' HERE. David is in control of the forum.
This is what's known as PARTICIPATIVE DEMOCRACY.
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 30 Mar 2003 : 06:22:25 AM
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True Alan, I control this site to a certian part, but the comments left by users are their thoughts and I pretty much leave them. It is when they "flame" an individual, or advertise non sponsor commercial advertising that I step in.quote:
Originally posted by acotrel
This is a good place to do it! YOU WON'T OFTEN GET 'FLAMED' HERE. David is in control of the forum.
This is what's known as PARTICIPATIVE DEMOCRACY.
Other users of the site are friendly and all have their ideas on how the sport should be run. All of them do not agree, but it is good healthy views.
It's free and it's fun to get involved, why not try it, after all it is FREE
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David
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2003 : 09:48:40 AM
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| I just ask that people argue their case with verifiable facts because that is the best way we can make a presentation. Abuse will not be effective even if the writer alone feels good. I can say that MA have picked up an idea the HMRAV presented, that is to run a forum to discuss the matter of developing Historic racing. Guess what the first point being considered is "How do we run a forum that does not turn into a slanging match" Now some may say that a slanging match is needed for members to dump, I can say from other experience that no good comes of it, slanging simply diverts efforts to move ahead to defence and the outcome is that nothing happens. One idea is to have written submissions posted in earlier for distribution and then discussed at the forum. What do you think? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Mar 2003 : 10:16:16 PM
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More importantly get active with your club, attend club meetings offer to prepare presentations, learn the procedures involved in running races, clubs, meetings, meet the people at MV and MA and form your own opinions. Participate in discussions and get your opinions across, submit articles to your club newsletters and see if there is support for your opinion, thats how it works. It takes time for which you are not paid but if you are passionate about something you need to do the work and not rely on others to guess what you have in mind.
You may see the resentment in me building up but this is how I see things. At the HMRAV, a club with 150 members there are 3 regular writers for the newsletter,the Secretary and 2 others, about 3 members other than committee who regularly attend meetings with others attending from time to time; no written presentations for suggestions or improvements have been recieved in the last 12 months; there are plenty of spoken adverse comments about MV, MA and the HMRAV some facts, some not facts but solutions are not offerred. Very few publically make a written or spoken statement which can be discussed, improved on or refuted if need by other club members who may agree or not. As I see it we have got the situation we have now because somebody else is left to do job without any guidance, and then all the detractors want a piece of the action. I cannot recall a single thank you or Gee that was an interesting idea.
Now some will say you dont join the committee to get thanks, so be it, but you dont join a committee to have people who dont attend anything, dont participate in any public discussion nor write to the committee nor contribute to the newsletter feel free to doubt your word when you make decisions on the clubs behalf either, they leave it to you to do the job because they dont want to do it themselves. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2003 : 09:08:46 AM
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John, I agree with your comments. I believe it's important to lead by example, and what you have been doing has been very good in that respect.
Two years ago I went to Benalla Auto Club and talked about starting the Winton Motorcycle Club. We now have sixty members and are MV affiliated. I am amazed at the response to a little bit of positiveness on my own behalf. I'm not taking all the credit, our committee is very good. It's typical of country people to rally to a cause.
I suggest your approach to running meetings sounds excellent. There is such a thing as 'the rules of etiquette'. In the olden days when gentlemen were gentlemen, they applied to running of club meetings to ensure the DEMOCRATIC process has promoted.
I believe all motorcyclists are gentlemen ( even the HAs and other patch gang members are OK individually).
Anyway to get to the point - the cause is MAKE OUR SPORT THE BEST. All you guys out there who sneak a look at this form - LET'S HEAR FROM YOU. HAVE YOUR SAY AND DO SOMETHING FOR HISTORIC RACING! |
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Former Member
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Posted - 31 Mar 2003 : 6:25:12 PM
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| John, Recently I paid up to be a member of the HMRAV for the second individual time. The first time I joined (a few years back) all that I noticed was that the cheque was cashed, seems the same again this time. One of mates recently got the latest HMRAV newsletter, though he's not a member. He took pity on me and gave me the newsletter. I don't know how out of whack the mailing lists are but its a bit hard to contribute if the message isnt getting through. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 31 Mar 2003 : 7:31:39 PM
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| thanks Al, can you give me a ring on 9888 5297 at work to check you address details. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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