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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 28 Feb 2003 : 7:24:20 PM
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HMRAV is actively trying to get P5 machines to attend meetings to meet its obligation to provide for them, please think about attending the Historic Winton and the Southern Classic events
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Apr 2003 : 07:40:06 AM
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| We had a number of P5 machines at the ride day and so far we have 3 entered for Historic Winton, events will be provided at the Southerrn Classic to encourage them to come out of the woodwork. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 02:50:58 AM
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Do you intend to run P4 and P5 machines in the same races? Would seem to be fair competition. A watercooled TZ on petrol shouldn't be faster than a TR3 on alcohol. Similarly a GS1100 on petrol shouldn't be faster than a 1040cc CB750 on alcohol.
As long as the 'no alcohol in post 1972 bikes' rule is observed, there shouldn't be a problem! |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 08:36:15 AM
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| I am not sure as that is somebody elses job, but I did overhear that with only 3 P5 entries they probally would be. So get you bike out Al. Somebody mentioned that a CX500 Honda is a pushrod motor and it would blow any pommy donk away. But we have been sneaky and limited the event to 600- 750cc to make sure they event works with the bikes we want to entice to the track. If you can think of other combinations let us know please. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 06:41:42 AM
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John, How about running a Historic Superbike Race at a few HMRAV promoted meetings? Cut-off date could be 1985, with post 72 bikes running petrol fuel only. Capacity could be 'over 650cc'.
Chris L mentioned 'crowd pullers'. I suggest the sight of the Trex hondas racing against the Laverda and GS1100s, Z900s etc from P5 and P6, would certainly be a crowd puller.
There must still be a lot of the old superbikes stuck away in garages. Let's get Mick Hone to dig out the Robbie Phillis bikes?
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 17 May 2003 : 1:07:27 PM
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| Give us some ideas of the supp. regs please |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 08:01:24 AM
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There is a precedent for running mixed classes. It is the moderns events which cater for the VFR400s and Aprilia 250.
I watched this class at Winton during Formula Extreme. The VFR400s were slightly faster than the Aprilias in a straight line, however the Aprilias got round them in the corners.
I don't know how they write the Supp Regs for this class, perhaps they actually specify the bikes.
Perhaps the Supp Regs for the Historic Superbikes should state:
An event for Superbikes of the Historic Era from 1948 to 1985. All machines shall be fully eligible for at least one of the MA Historic Categories P3 to P6. (Machines built after 1972 may not use alcohol fuel). Upper capacity limit is 1100cc for this event, minimum capacity 500cc. |
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 9:17:58 PM
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| What about engine capacities within 5% of original manufacture, wqould it knock out accidently all the machines that have pushed the limits ? Would it attrack good machines? and what type? How long would you conduct a race, how many races or heats perhaps? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 18 May 2003 : 11:03:38 PM
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I wouldn't enforce the engine maximum size at scrutineering, however its grounds for protest( I'd allow 5% for rebores). Stuart Loly's GS1100 is currently the quickest historic superbike running. He regularly beats Rex, the bike is 1300cc, so he'd need to put his standard bore kit back on the bike. I'd run the events over eight laps of the big circuit at Winton or ten on the short circuit.
We'd probably need to specify a few exclusions, such as watercooled four strokes, six speed boxes in Four strokes and aluminium frames (keeps out GPZ900 Kawasaki and GSX1100 Suzuki). The other thing is the minimum capacity should probably be 450cc. This would allow RG500 Suzukis and RD500 Yamahas to run against the big fours.
Currently I've seen the following bikes at the interclub which could run:
Mackintosh suzuki GS1100, Z900 from Hartwell with the NZ rider. Honda CB1100F from the patch gang from seymour, Honda CB1100R, Laverda Jota in Rob North replica frame. All of these go pretty well and the Trex HOndas would be very close to them. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 May 2003 : 08:37:06 AM
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| Just to make sure I am not lead down the wrong path I would like to hear the views of other people, so please speak up and help me. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 19 May 2003 : 08:57:08 AM
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| P5 see for sale TZ350G with spares $5500 |
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Posted - 19 May 2003 : 6:47:29 PM
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Plenty of P6 bikes kicking around now.
At last weeks interclub meeting a guy (cant remember his name) riding a 89 GSXR 1100 won not only the "classic"class but the team shield races as well, beating modern superbikes and 600s. Including A grader John Orchard. He was doing 1.01 |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2003 : 8:35:03 PM
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I have seen registered Suzuki GS1100s around for $2000. Would have to be the cheapest power available. Some of the old superbikes must still be around, I wouldn't be surprised if you could buy a 79 to 85 racer for $1500 with quite a few good bits.
Now is the time to buy them, if you want to have a go, in the next couple of years. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 21 May 2003 : 08:54:22 AM
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| Can you stick to the point about HISTORIC SUPERBIKES and supp. regs please. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 23 May 2003 : 11:22:42 PM
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| I noticed one pit shed at the Formula Extreme meeting at Winton (three weeks ago), which had about four Trex Hondas, Stuart Loly's GS1100, a TR3, and a T500, in it. If they can run all of these bikes in one race at Formula Extreme, it shouldn't be too hard to do it at a normal historic meeting! Incidently the guys didn't do too bad, even the bloke on the T500, who hasn't been riding that long, did alright! Stuart was quicker than the Hondas, however I don't think Rex or Tony were there. |
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