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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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 Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 5:38:10 PM
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As Secretary of HMRAV,I have had an approach by a group representing Greg Johnson, Rex Wolfendon, Rob Hinton, Rob Madden, Clive Warner, Peter Morley and Russell Fairbairne. At the Island Classic they talked about the proposal to move the Southern Classic to Broadford. The message is that they feel any move to change the Southern Classic from Winton to Broadford is a sad situation for a race with great history and format and it will have a long term detrimental effect on the special place the Southern Classic has in the Historic Road Racing calendar. They feel the short track at Winton is the far better place for the meeting which lends itself to having the top interstate and even international riders attending. Further they are proposing a boycott of the event to demonstrate their feelings. As Secretary I am in no position to do anything other than present facts. If anybody is prepared to put a case in writing confirming this situation I shall present it to the committee.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 5:58:26 PM
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First question I have to ask, is why is the governing bodies needing to jump at the hand full of riders like Greg Johnson, Rex Wolfendon, Rob Hinton, Rob Madden, Clive Warner, Peter Morley and Russell Fairbairne?
We all know (sorry about this Rex) Rex has been around for a few years, has a super fast bike, he has a heap of money, and because him and a few others say "Lets move it to Broadford", the HMARV are actually considering it. I thought that everything worked on a democracy in this country. I have not seen any of these riders on this web site let everyone else know what they think could help the sport. Have you? And why is that? It isn't because they just do back room deals that no-one knows about, is it?
Why do you have other members, if the HMRAV are going to listen to these riders, but not the others? Something stinks somewhere, and it isn't for the benefit of other riders, just a minority.
We do appreciate you bringing it to the attention of the others, but how many other "behind closed doors" deals happen? |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jan 2003 : 10:42:10 AM
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| David I think you have misunderstood the issue. These riders are not asking for the Southern Classic to be moved to Broadford, they have asked if we can consider keeping it at Winton. As for democracy I understand your concerns but I also have learnt there is a lot of self interest, politics, we dont talk to them and so sometimes decsions are based on the wrong issues. Still I am tyring to get more people talking amongst themselves to get the issues addressed. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 2:06:55 PM
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We have been asked to separate the 125cc and prewar machines into separate events. In NSW they get 15- 25 prewars, but in Vic. we get a few and comments from NSW that they do not like racing with 125cc's. We have thought of putting the 125 cc into the up to 350cc Classic instead, personally I would have all the solos in one race and give the sidecars a better mix of events for the rest of the day!
What are your thoughts? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 9:58:04 PM
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| It would seem sensible to run a 'Lightweight TT', and include Historic 125s and Buckets. Depends on how many starters you can get, I suppose. |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2003 : 08:21:34 AM
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David, I too have concerns about the democratic aspects of motorcycling politics and politics generally. Over the years we have become accustomed to representaive forms of democracy. We all joined ACU affiliated clubs, elected reps to the ACU and depended on them to put our point of view to the 'governing body' (not HMRAV who are actually promoters as well as affiliates).
I have heard several members of a particular committee state 'we do not like 'controlling bodies' ' in regard to another union, other than MA/MV. In particular objections have been voiced to some of the activities of the CAMS technical committees.
I don't think anyone can accuse unions such as MA/MV or CAMS of not being democratic, however the old process always seemed inefficient to me.
In my opinion, your web site is particularly good, as it offers the opportunity for participative democracy, to motorcycle road racers.
There are other interests than union, riders and promoters in the game. It is worth noting that we do not have a motorcycle manufacturing industry in Australia. We don't manufacture any 'Andy Molnar Manxes', 'McIntosh Manxes', 'George Beale G50s' - the question is, why is that?
We might do better if the work of the technical committees of MA/MV and CAMS was undertaken by Standards Australia.
Personally I really appreciate this opportunity this site presents, to put my views, even though some might think them a bit strange - keep up the good work. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 11:32:04 PM
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This is the latest rumour I have heard about the Southern Classic.
"Can you also confirm that the Southern Classic as per booking is still coming to Broadford as we are hearing that it could be back at Winton the week after the MOTOGP this year. Some confirmations and deposits will have to made as we have been turning away clubs and schools for those key dates and I must / have to protect the income stream for Broadford. We briefly spoke about this on Friday but I request that we receive written confirmation on the name of the events so as to secure the dates." Patrick Manager at Broadford
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Patrick, I can assure you the Southern Classic is planned for 2003 at Broadford, please pass any rumour spreading person on to me and they will need to ring a doctor after I have cut their bloody tounges out for feeding that sort of rubbish about. Motorcyclists cause so much truoble for themselves with false ruomours and so much extra work for a suffering sidecar rider to overcome all the garbage such porkies cause. John Daley Sectary HMRAV"
As Secretary of the HMRAV I am sick of the damage these damned false stories cause. Anybody has only to check the facts before shooting of with this sort of rubbish.
I would love to be able to report that the person distributing this rumour has been identified and named because I am sick of the trouble this mongrel has caused, if I was so lucky I will try and loose any entry form he sends us, simply for revenge.
THE REAL FACTS ARE AS FOLLOWS
The Southern Classic will be at Broadford in 2003 and longer unless something unusual { INCA} happens,we are not planning a one year major event here to then go and try and shift it to another track after all the effort has been put in place now.
The Shire of Mitchell is very pleased a major event such as this is happening, they are assisting with promotion and unless something odd happens why would we move, again.
The Dirt Track Management Committee will be planning the SWAP MEET,to raise funds for the dirt track resurfacing,and hopes to continue this function for a long time if it proves successful.
The TRADE SHOW will involve related periferal traders, no steak knive salesman etc though, to add value to the spectators ticket priceand add to the festival atmosphere of the event.
Broadford Management has applied for a 12 month CAMPING permit, the camping area will be located near bay 13, with catering provided, if the approval is granted. How could we encourage this and then move away and try and save face?
We are planning a STATIC DISPLAY of older racing and road machines. We hope to have a feature manufacturer ie Vincent if they get back to us in time. Otherwise we shall seek support from another club.
We are planning to have interstate and International riders,attending.
Southern Classic RALLY for those who need an excuse to ride in groups or attend anything with bikes.
Southern Classic JAZZ AND SHIRAZ MUSIC FESTIVAL on Sat. evening
THE RUMOURS ARE AS FOLLOWS
John Howard is making the presentations
Solos are banned from the meeting,
There will be no dust at Broadford,
Santa claus will not attend xmas this year because of the SARS outbrakes.
The easter bunny actually exists.
Elvis lives. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 03:10:33 AM
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The 'week after the MotoGP' strikes a note with me. It's something I mentioned in conjunction with the 2004 October meeting at Winton. (NOTE: 2004).
There will be consideration at the end of May 2003 as to the possibility of running the Southern Classic, Australian Historic Championships, and World Historic CHampionships (InCA) at Winton in 2004. It's still tentative, however anyone with an interest is welcome to comment on this web site, or in writing to the Winton Motorcycle Club at Fox Street Winton.
If you think it's a good idea, a bad one, or there is anything you want to see at such a meeting, please let us know! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 08:32:24 AM
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| I had never noticed the connection between the Triumps and my copied quote, GOOD ONE to pick it. Honda or Suzuki just would not read the same would it! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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keith campbell
Level 3 Member
Victoria
248 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 10:43:07 AM
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the post re racing at winton 2004 , is it proposed to run all events listed together?regardless of what happens it should be seen as the most outstanding opportunity for classic racing in aust.to host a round of the world championship. one thing is the i.n.c.a.series is being put in front of large crowds o.seas at truck meetings or even world superbikes i think.
for such an expensive effort perhaps consideration should be made with regard to "how much" do the potential international riders want/expect/demand to grace our racetrack for points in the world series.this years abandonment at e.creek shows that without substantial amounts up front we in australia may/will be overlooked in favour of another destination that will g-tee money.
i suggest that the biggest event possible,eg v8's ,trucks,superbikes(local or world) or any other meeting with the potentail to perhaps incorporate a specialty attraction to an already successful meet.
i am only shooting from the hip here without expressed knowledge in what is involved but i beleive that f we get another inca meet in australia it must be with some surety (m.v.$$$? m.a.$$$$?)so the promoter/club/sponsors can sustain a world event for some years to come building a recognised event to draw and entertain large crowds of people.....
burning hot coals and barefeet pushstarts could not keep me away from wanting to compete in a WORLD C-SHIP EVENT!!!!!!!!!! |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 30 Apr 2003 : 8:41:32 PM
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I am not too sure what your point is keith I am not trying to ridicule you, you covered a lot of points in one hit. InCa talk should be on the InCa topic spot. But it is expensive to get them here. MV and MA I am sure would not put in the bucks because it really is the riders funds that may be going into the promoters pocket. There is big money to be made and lost and the MV and Ma exectutives may not be tempted to gamble it.
Truck racing and bikes, an interesting mix, maybe at the same time so it would look like the Western ring road, we would all feel comfortable about that.From what I can see any body who wants to race in a World Championship will have to help with the money and it would be heaps. $80,000 for the bike, big entry fees etc . LETS PRAY THOUGH!!! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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