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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:53:52 PM
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The Historic Management Committee of MV has decided to organise the motorbike section of the sprints to be held in November. The final date to be settled later. There will be a bias to wards bikes from the earler periods up to 1962. the other type of bike is not welcome!!! by order of the promoters. Fields will include sidecars naturally. Contact racesecretary@hmrav.org for details.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:57:20 PM
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| So I assume your "the other type of bike" sidecar is not welcome. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 05 Feb 2003 : 4:26:37 PM
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| YEP thats correct,I dont see it as a problem. Personally I would not attend such a meeting anyway, but I am aware many enjoy them.I shall put up more info as it becomes available. If anybody wants to help locate machines, work with the committee, just indicate on this site. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 08:51:41 AM
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I'm of two minds on this NO the other type of bike thing. I suggest anyone racing a pre 72 Jap bike should try to build it like a racer of the period i.e. H1r,H2R, RG500, TR500, TR250, TR3, TZ. If it's a four cylinder Honda fit clipons, fairing, rear sets, four pipes.
If it's post 72, it belongs to an era when superbikes were common, and the AMA style bikes were around. It's about time we got a little authenticity into historic racing.
I can understand a promoter not wanting 'cafe racers' or 'half racers' at a meeting like the Geelong Sprints.
I went there years ago, and what ran there amongst the cars was very genuine.
Incidentally Russell King ran fastest time that day on his 650 Triumph and really upset a couple of guys with Ferraris. One of the Ferraris ended up with a conrod poking out through the bonnet.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 10:55:38 AM
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The bottom line is this. The sponsors is not interested in superbikes. They are only interested in up to P3 machines, hence my interpretation of no the other type of bike, there has been no mention that P4 would be included, I thought I was clear in my advice when I stated "There will be a bias towards bikes from the earler periods up to 1962"
As the Golden Rule states, "He who has the gold sets the rules" |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 7:03:46 PM
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| But didnt Mark Eyres have the best bike time at the Geelong sprints this year on a the other type of bike CB 750 (900) Honda. Why the change? |
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Posted - 06 Feb 2003 : 7:48:01 PM
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| John, I assume then that the term "the other type of bike" is yours in this case and not the Geelong organisers? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 07 Feb 2003 : 2:19:42 PM
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I have included a section of a letter from the organisers
"It was encouraging to receive from Peter Breise a copy of your latest "Flatchat" newsletter with the inclusion of comments re the Geelong Speed Trials event which is directly the way in which the Committee would like to see the motorcycle entries compete.
We are seeking your support to improve the entries, as it is planned to run the motorcycles this year on both on the Sat and Sun, particularly if we can gain quality entries."
Whilst Mark did well of the other type of bike, the sponsers were pissed off that there were very small numbers of Manx's, Vello's etc. This occurred because of the very short notice we were given and the fact that the Sponsors requirements of pre 1960 machines was not passed on. So why the change now, the sponsor who has put up $1000,s of his own money does not want a repeat event where there is "the other type of bike", his words.
We have a choice, we take up the request to attend under the new rules or we dont take it up. There is no room for negotiation. Its not my say so I am just the messenger, but if I had a say I would ban Solos anyway, you all know that!! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 09 Feb 2003 : 6:31:35 PM
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| Perhaps as an alternative to the bad blood about no the other type of bike at Geelong, there may be alternatives, another meeting etc. Does anybodyhave any ideas? Also, we have since had an approach from the Classic Dirt boys who do a Hill climb near Campwerdown on Bitumen would anybody be interested with that? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 08:50:34 AM
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| Surely Historic racing is just that.I see there are many folk at this message board who dislike Japanese machines.History shows rather strongly that Japanese machines dominated (and still do).If you got your **** kicked by a Jap bike in 1970(as you probably did) then you may well have to put up with it again.There are classes to compete on an older British machine,you don't have to try and beat one of the Hondas,or Kawasaki's etc on your pommy single,so why whinge? |
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 11:26:36 AM
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Ever heard of a guy called Peter Williams? In 1974 he got the John Player Nortons to the stage where they were on equal points with the Barry Sheene TR750 in the British F750 Championship. Sheen had won one more race, so won the championship. When you look at what a disgusting old motor the Norton has, it did pretty well to go that fast, and Williams must have been a superb rider and engineer.
I don't have a problem with the other type of bike as long as it races against other the other type of bike. Racing it against motors designed in the early fifties is completely unreasonable.
It's possible to make a crank and short barrels for a Norton, fit Titanium rods and valves, and get them to go reasonably fast. Why would you bother when any idiot can get a two stroke or a Honda four going ten per cent faster than any fast Norton these days, at half the cost?
I really think we need to bring in a rule for historic racing, that the bikes must have fairing, racing seat, clipons, and rear sets. What turns up to the races these days is often poorly converted road bikes, they don't look anything like a racing bike!
So in short - not to press a point, a lot of your the other type of bike is pretty disgusting, and I don't wonder that the promoter of the Geelong Sprints doesn't want it there! |
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 7:35:56 PM
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Thought the point is to get more bikes up and running.
Not to go Jap or Pommy bashing.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 8:57:07 PM
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| I do not know how I can put it more clearly. It is not a matter of Pommy bashing Or the other type of bikeping. The Geelong Sprints is a commercial operation. The man putting up the BIG BUCKS does not like to see post 1962 machines. It is not a matter of the Geelong Sprints committee wanting more of any type of machine, they want more pre 1962 machines, end of story. I have tried to come up with alternative events, but the focus seems to have remained on the rights of Jap machines. Unfortunately I am just the carrier of a message. Hopefully over time with 9 months to go we can find enough pre 1962 machine for Geelong and another event for everybody else, see Camperdown HillClimb. But as Geelong has taken the Sponsors money, guess who plays the tune? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 10 Feb 2003 : 9:09:31 PM
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OK, lets stop the bashing people. As John has said, it is what the promoter has specified. The requirement is for pre 1962 machines.
If you want to promote your own race and have other types of baikes there, then we will all respect your choice, so please respect the promoters choice.
Please do not give John a hard time over it. John was trying to make light humour of the situation, but it has been blown out of all proportion.
John has been doing a great job since taking on the role as secretary of the HMRAV and keeping the users and visitors here informed with what he can. No one else from the HMRAV has been doing what John has been, so please back off and accept that the promoter has asked for a certian types of machines only.
Should the topic continue to venture down the track of bashing, I will lock the topic.
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David
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