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Allan
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National
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 Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 3:11:54 PM
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 Well looking at PI on Saturday ,I now belive its not Lack of Race bikes ! plentty of Solo's sidecars well down(why) but may be no body wants to race at micky mouse type race tracks any more. so when a REAL race track come along they (the riders) flock to it. so maybe all we need is more racing at PI and less at the micky mouse tracks
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 8:51:47 PM
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How about a rider survey for historic road racing?
In this day of computers, surely someone must have a register of people who have raced historic bikes. Rob Dark would have had a list for the Post Classic Association.
Let's ask why people aren't racing!
Might be something for David to undertake using Microsoft Access to maintain a database of riders. It would also be useful to collect as many email adresses as possible, so we can get messages to interested parties, through a group email.
Does HMRAV or MA/MV maintain an email mailing list?
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:22:28 PM
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| Alan under the new privacy rules there are some issues with handing over lists. But they could be written to via the existing channels and asked to put their email on any new list. It may be worth it. Can somebody draft a letter? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:40:38 PM
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The 2003 Island Classic proved that historic racing is quite healthy and most people who are likely to race were there and entered. The sidecars were down on numbers though whisch was a bit sad.
Phillip Island will always get good entries because of the the quality of the track and the organisation. Broadford is a good short circuit club track, it has a bit of everything and is a heap of fun,its also the most accessable track for practice, ride days etc. One thing they both have in common is their relative procimity to Melbourne, a one day event doesnt involove accomodation or camping for most people.
Winton on the other hand is an expensive place to get to, requires more expence for accomodation yet appears to be the HMRAV preferred circuit. The short circuit can be a bit like racing around a clotheline, particularly when the long circuit is there and the long circuit is a lot more popular, though not with the HMRAV?
Phillip Island could support another historic event each year, it would only need to be a 2 day event. The venue alone would attract the entries, its worth thinking about.
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john
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Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:57:47 PM
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| I have heard of the story about the long vs short track at Winton. I am told the older bikes do not like the long track. Is that correct or simply one persons opinion? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 11:14:29 PM
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The long track at Winton is really a short track if you compare it to Phillip Island, so that arguement is out the door immediately.
Its more an issue of organisation. A few years back HMRAV ran a 2 day meeting at Winton, probably the Southern Classic, the Saturday was ran on the long track but fell way behind schedule so the decision was made to go back to the short track on sunday and its been like that ever since.
An alleged riders meeting was called to make the decision, but unfortunately the decision was "swayed" by people who don't even ride. I know a lot of guys who havn't been to a HMRAV since. Fortunately the HMRAV is being a lot more progressive these days. |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 06:30:58 AM
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I agree with Al K winton short track was used only because hmrav ran out of time, bad organized race meeting and never have run long track again funny but pract on fridays were held on long track  "but"race days back to short track carnt under stand why except that hmarv are worried about running out of time. just run your program better to time and meeting would run on time!yes one lap of the Island =4lap short track winton! |
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acotrel
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Victoria
2147 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 09:12:05 AM
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Al, I don't know that I would call historic racing healthy. I watched the P4 unlimited race late on Sunday arvo, and saw about ten Hondas and two Triumph Tridents battle it out. Alan Landers had a good go with his Nourish Triumph, but really got nowhere near them.
I stll believe that the big bikes in P4 Unlimited should run in the same races as Stuart Lolly (GS1100 Suzuki) and the fast Ducatis. I doubt that the lap times would be much different.
We need to have a look at what makes a good spectator event. I believe at PI most fields were less than 50% of the permitted maximum numbers on the grid.
I agree that the PI meeting showed the terrific potential of the sport. I have never seen so many well prepared historic machines at any other meeting. The crowd was reasonable considering the AGO / MV event wasn't even publicised. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 : 2:22:37 PM
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Alan, I'm not sure what race meeting you were at, Al Landers is a good mate of mine and he didn't race with us on Sunday arvo, he only raced the Westlake in the 6 lapper before lunch.
You might have mistaken him for Guesty who won the arvo race on a Trident, or Des on his Trident or the other guy on a Trident. There was also a nice Triumph twin from NZ in the race plus a Ducati, a couple of BMW's and a Guzzi. Not a bad spread of makes really. |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 : 4:22:43 PM
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| Al, I might be wrong but I thought I saw Alan Landers on the Weslake in the race with about eight Hondas and two tridents late on Sunday arvo. I also think he was the rider who withdrew from the P3 unlimited with a featherbed triumph in a following event. He moved to the right of the track at the start, then when the others had gone, wheeled his bike back down the pit road. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 8:45:48 PM
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| I recall a comment somewhere that perhaps HMRAV can improve the way meetings are run and that riders will appear. We certainly are trying to and perhaps old habits die slowly but the numbers of machines entering has been dropping. I just assumed that was a result of the old bangers falling apart, am I wrong? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2003 : 4:58:32 PM
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| A suggestion has come to us at ethe HMRAV to split the P2 away from the 125cc and have a separate event. The reason being that the 20 odd NSW riders cant stand racing with 125's. What do others think and how can I get evidence to convince the committee of the need to meet the request. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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