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 Posted - 12 Jun 2001 : 3:16:17 PM
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In responce to David Greening Topic re "Does anyone know whats going on". The M.A. Historic Commission members recommended to the M.A. Board on the 20th December 2000. That HMRAV be granted the right to promote the 2001 Australian Historic Road Race Championships.
At Winton on the Long Circuit, the meeting was also to be held in conjunction with M.A.
M.A. were to ensure that the key Race Officials were appointed and that a committee of three was put in place to act as a jury on any eligibity issues.
M.A. have now formed a Partnership with HMRAV to copromote the meeting, with a preposed budget of $40,000.00.
This was never the intention of the Historic Commission, Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Jack Finlay have been invited to attend the meeting with the cost coming out of the budget.
The money to be spent on these celebrities would be better spent on competitors travel costs for thoes riders who have supported the Championships in the past.
I know that my last trip from Brisbane to Philip Island for the Island Classic Meeting cost in excess of $2000.00.
I have no objection to M.A. and HMRAV forming a partnership, IF both parties want it, but it would seem that HMRAV's current thinking is that they are being pushed into the Partnership.The 2001 Historic Road Race Championships are starting to look some what dismal at the moment.
P.S. Niel Bird from M.A.who was one of the three M.A. members of the Partnership Committee has resigned as Motorsport Manager of M.A.
Reckless
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David
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Posted - 12 Jun 2001 : 4:18:58 PM
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Reckless,
I take it you are referring to the comments made on this topic: You must be logged in to see this link..
If it is then I do not know how I got involved with it as it was originally written by You must be logged in to see this link. and the comments 'Does anyone know what’s going on' was a response from You must be logged in to see this link.. Just thought that I would put things straight.
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In responce to David Greening Topic re "Does anyone know whats going on". The M.A. Historic Commission members recommended to the M.A. Board on the 20th December 2000. That HMRAV be granted the right to promote the 2001 Australian Historic Road Race Championships.
At Winton on the Long Circuit, the meeting was also to be held in conjunction with M.A.
M.A. were to ensure that the key Race Officials were appointed and that a committee of three was put in place to act as a jury on any eligibity issues.
M.A. have now formed a Partnership with HMRAV to copromote the meeting, with a preposed budget of $40,000.00.
This was never the intention of the Historic Commission, Riders such as Kel Carruthers, Jack Finlay have been invited to attend the meeting with the cost coming out of the budget.
The money to be spent on these celebrities would be better spent on competitors travel costs for thoes riders who have supported the Championships in the past.
I know that my last trip from Brisbane to Philip Island for the Island Classic Meeting cost in excess of $2000.00.
I have no objection to M.A. and HMRAV forming a partnership, IF both parties want it, but it would seem that HMRAV's current thinking is that they are being pushed into the Partnership.The 2001 Historic Road Race Championships are starting to look some what dismal at the moment.
P.S. Niel Bird from M.A.who was one of the three M.A. members of the Partnership Committee has resigned as Motorsport Manager of M.A.
Reckless
Regards,
David Greening
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 13 Jun 2001 : 09:36:34 AM
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I agree that it would be desirable to pay riders travel expenses and even start money, and this should be one of our objectives. But celebrities such as Carruthers and Findlay are extremely important, particularly if they actually compete at the meeting. Our sport needs a much higher profile (at least comparable with the superbikes), if we are ever to get the best out of it. I suggest we should also invite Barry Sheene and even pay his $8000 appearance fee.
You might remember the days when speedway was big, and the English test teams used to visit. For many years before MA took over, it was possible for an amateur to get enough start money to buy a new Jawa each season (provided you started behind the gate in the handicaps). We have gone backwards since then in speedway, but road racing has never paid unless you went to Europe. Petty politicking between MA, HMRAV and others is a waste of time. Let's imagine what could be, and work towards it ! PLEASE PUT YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS FORUM!
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Posted - 25 Jun 2001 : 11:24:27 AM
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Australian Historic Roadrace Championships 2001
There has been a lot of drivel on this website recently regarding the championships and the role played by HMRAV. I can tell you that there was a proposal by M.A. to enter into a partnership with HMRAV to run the meeting on the long track. If HMRAV did not agree, there would be no permit issued. Although HMRAV met with M.A. on several occasions, there was never an agreement to go down that road. There were several reasons for this, check Rule 26.2.2 page 167 of the GCRs.
No club could afford to split their profits 50:50 with M.A. or anybody else. Obviously, big race meetings like this one allow clubs to keep operating through the lean times while keeping costs to the competitors as low as possible.
M.A. has a role to play in any Australian Championship and they will fulfill that role according to the rules. Such things as providing senior officials, producing sup regs, publicity, sponsorship,etc.
The matter of the budget is the responsibility of HMRAV, rest assured it will be sufficient. M.A. has a fund to be used to attract the “stars”. HMRAV will help with the expenses incurred by riders traveling a great distance, the extent of that help is yet to be determined.
The championships for periods 1,2,3,4 and 5 will be held on the Winton SHORT TRACK on the 26th, 27th, and 28th of October 2001. Sup regs and entry forms will be sent out as soon as they are approved. If you suspect that you are not on the mailing list, contact HMRAV on ampete@bigpond.com
The best way to find out what HMRAV is up to is to ask HMRAV, a fairly simple procedure, but apparently way beyond the capabilities of some of your correspondents. I should point out that we will ignore comments from people who don’t put their name to the comments.
David Large, Secretary HMRAV.
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Posted - 25 Jun 2001 : 8:53:22 PM
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Good to hear from you Dave.
However I think you have been a bit harsh with some of your comments.
For one if you thought that there was a lot of rubbish being written about the HMRAV, why wait to now to respond for there has been a certain amount written about the HMRAV for sometime now.
Also why the short track? Cost, time?
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 26 Jun 2001 : 7:13:09 PM
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I would hope that the normal response to any sort of criticism, is not going to be calling it 'drivel'. The comments made previously were made out of real concern for the future of the sport. This web site provides a discussion forum for all classic competitors. It is democratic, which is more than can be said for some of the clubs over the years.
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Posted - 27 Jun 2001 : 11:34:16 AM
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Months ago I put a question as to how HMRAV is going to manage to include period 5 in a two day championship meeting and still include sufficient rides for all classes to make it worth travelling a long distance to the meeting. Our club is still in the dark as to what to expect, which means we have done no planning as a club. I for one will not travel to Victoria for less than 4 races.
Please give riders in general some idea of what you are planning David. This web site is an ideal way of doing that.
Graham Harder has told me not to worry - there'll be plenty of rides for everyone, but I'm still none the wiser as to what this means. Personally I can't see how you can do this unless you assume you are not going to get big fields in a lot of capacity classes and combine a lot of events. Let's face it, if you keep all classes separate except for 125s and 250s you will need to run 64 events.
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Allan
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National
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Posted - 27 Jun 2001 : 2:10:24 PM
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Bill by Dave Large, post on the 25june he say's that the meeting is three (3) days and will be on the short track,does that mean that races will be held on the friday? and is it still to be called the australia historic champs? going by the post it looks like, to me(allan greening) they(hmrav) maybe going alone on the meeting!
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