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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 2:14:21 PM
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Al Kidd has mentioned there may be interest in post 1980 machines. If this is the case can you send me some info about where the period finishes and how the meetings have been attended. Have the traditional classes applied and have any allowances ben made for the proddy racing that was popular then? thanks
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Allan
Site Moderator
National
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Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 3:01:34 PM
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 *-what is that club called  Harry's Modern Racing Ass.Vic? come on! where are we going, a couple of classic BIKES and the rest what ever you like as long they are not clsssic,"NO" thats not the spirt of Historic Racing or is it? |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
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Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 4:19:02 PM
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| Allan I am beginning to see why people are not turning up to meetings. Now, I passed on a comment /question from Alan Kidd about considering machines post 1980. And you have seen the opportunity to abuse me for asking the question Is there any support for the idea?With the sort of abuse that you dish out to anybody that does not ride a pre 1962 machine, I am amazed that any youger riders or bikes turn up. I am beginning to see why people may have been leaving the old bike racing areana and started racing in the clubman series with the Interclub and Hartwell rounds within Victoria. In the past such abuse would normally have encouraged me to leave. But as Secretary I do get other opinions at meetings, thru emails and phone calls etc so I am pretty sure your attitude is not supported 100% by many others. I may be wrong, if so tell me. I suggest you come out and put your support in the hat. Then I will stop trying to find new riders to make meetings work and spend my time fixing my own bike instead of leaving myself up for public ridicule by trying to help strangers I have never met to enjoy a racing opportunity. In 1972 when Historic racing started, the cut off point was 1962. Why is it that in 2003, when the older bikes are not fronting that the 10 year cut off point has now been extended without planning to 40 years? I dont mind alternative opinions, but why the devil should anybody put up the the foul mouthed words you have been freely throwing every time somebody asks what the hell is happenning to the rider and machine numbers. I was not aware we had to ride to a frozen in time system until we have no bikes left to race. As I have asked before, can readers give an indication as to what system of racing have we got to apply, the ride till we drop or a system the moves with the years to include the passing periods? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 7:03:04 PM
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Glad to see that are not afraid of other peoples limited thought and that the HMRAV have broken away from the old school and you are supporting new classes. The interclub series has classes for period 6 (up to 1989) which run against P3,P4 & P5 all with there own trophys. The 1st year (2002) had about 4 or 5 period six bikes running including a old ZXR 750 superbike and a GSXR 1100. Me on my "cheater"1800cc Honda CB 750 had some great racing against them and the other P4 & P5 bikes.
In other words keep going. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 6:17:21 PM
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| Thanks trev for your comments, how do you get 1800cc into a CB750 Honda, perhaps I ought to talk to you about my 810cc CB750 sidecar. I am keen to find if others support the idea, otherwise Harry's Modern Racing Accociation may have to have a bonfire to get rid of any post 1962 machines. I wonder if in fact the Interclub has been nuturing the P6 bikes because they have nowhere else to race. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 6:44:10 PM
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John I think there were a number of older superbike riders were getting caned on the track against the new superbikes and therefore the idea and need was there for the new class. As for the 1800cc, a bit tongue in cheek,mine is 1155cc however the most I think you can get is about 1250cc.
My first sentance is a bit rough as everyone is intitled to their own opinion however my is for progression not for stagnation. People and bikes get older and either may not wish to play anymore,probaly accounts for falling fields (as well as cost) |
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steve
Level 2 Member
Queensland
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Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 8:13:53 PM
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Hi John
Yes John can you come up to Queensland we need your help/ideas!! out side of the square. It's one eyed here in Queensland towards Period 3 500cc class, We don't have Period 5 because the Local Historic race club don't believe they are Historic machines!! Even period "4" don't get a fair go either. let alone Period 5s as they are not old bikes!! if you speak up about anything else besides the 500 classics you get the cold shoulder big time as has happened here & also by certain comments here!! we are losing lots of members (60) (QLD)because we don't have a place to race & many people don't have the money to run with 500 Classics, as I've seen around Australia Period 3 getting smaller fields Period 4 has been getting the biggest fields & Period 5 seems to be gathering momentum & I can see the numbers getting more than the Period 3s in short time. As most people don't like change "But time doesn't stand still"!!!! Unless your from Qld & run a Period 4 or 5 bikes & you just shut up or leave the racing all together which has been happening in droves here in Qld no tracks no races. The younger people coming racing are all around 40 years young! they grew up riding 4 & 5 period bikes so there interest is in 4 & 5s periods & as soon as some of the older gentleman realize this & start catering for not so Classic bikes the more the fields & watchers will return.
So John keep up the good work!! If you come up to "Qld" You would be called a Pirate & made to walk the plank. & that no joke!
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acotrel
Advanced Member
Victoria
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Posted - 21 Feb 2003 : 9:30:51 PM
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I think it's about time we defined what a 'historic bike' is. In my opinion any bike with a deltabox frame/ upside down forks/single sided rear swing arm, four or more spot calipers is currently not a historic bike.
Historic bikes usually have tubular steel frames although some may have tubular aluminium and one or two are monocoque. They usually have 18inch (or larger)front and rear wheels. This covers all P1 to P5.
I suggest the cutoff year for Period 6 should be set at whatever year yamaha started using deltabox frames, and we need to do this NOW.
Anyone who believes a TZ750, a H2R, or a mid 80s RG500 isn't historic has got rocks in his head. Where are they all now? Because they haven't been catered for in Australia, most of them have been sold overseas.
I think it's important to realise that time doesn't stand still, and in thirty years time all those young guys currently racing moderns will be as old as Allan Greening is now. What will be 'historic' then?
I think it's pretty funny, but a lot of the young guys racing moderns have never seen a seventies TZ750 or a H2R let alone a KR750.
One of the objectives when we started this historic racing bullsh*t was to preserve the older racing machines for posterity, in something like the form in which they were originally raced. We don't really seem to be achieving this.
I know where Allan is coming from, and I agree that pre 62 racing is precious, but I believe the later (mid seventies)racing was excellent, but I believe gone forever. We'll never see Blakey, Hansford,Willing, Toombs,the Sayles,Soussan, Horsman, Laurie Barnett, Rosco, Hurley Wilvert or Hennen again. IT'S HISTORY ! |
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Posted - 25 Feb 2003 : 7:31:53 PM
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G`day to Steve H.
Perhaps you might like to talk some more
with John about possible benefits of bringing
a number of bikes down from QLD to one of HMRAV`s
events.
We love P4&5`s and would enjoy your company.
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2003 : 12:21:07 AM
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| HMRAV has agreed to offer a transport levy of $80 to any rider who travels more than 1000km to attend the Southern Classic and $30 to any body who travels more than 500km to the Historic Winton. Not much but seeing it comes from the sidecar riders retirement funds be grateful for the offer! |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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