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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 6:50:46 PM
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Al Kidd's comments about the 500cc topic has made me ask the question about why have a discussion site. Al has suggestted that because Alcotrel and myself seemed to be the only people commentting about the 500 cc topic then it has no support. But I noted that it had many readers. Now the question is at what stage do we take it that people agree or disagree with a topic and the course it is taking. As an engineer I have been trained to seek information, give opportunity for comment and assume no comment means you are heading in the right direction. Al has suggessted that may not be correct. So I am asking, two questions What do people expect to get from a site such as this? and Is it correct to assume that no comment is agreeance?
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John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
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Posted - 16 Feb 2003 : 7:18:25 PM
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Maybe if there were a date for comments to be in by, then if there were no comments it would be going down the right track.
It also could be that as in the past, people think that their comments would not be addressed by an organisation such as the HMRAV or even Motorcycling Australia for that matter as they have already made up their minds as what they want, as has happened in the past.
Most of these organisations only have themselves to blame; as it was the way they conducted themselves in the past. They would ask for comment and have no communication with the people that actually mattered, the member, but done what they wanted in the past.
John, you have done a fair bit in the small amount of time you have been secretary of HMRAV, but it has not been long enough to take the stigma away from what has been done in the past.
I personally believe that these forums are a great place for users to make/vent their comments to such authorities, as they are now starting to read what is going on in the member’s sport. Not that they add anything, apart from you John, but that is their loss.
What we need is more people in authority that will listen to their members and advise them in clear and understanding English responses as to why they went down the path they did go down.
I have set this site up to help the members of the sports of Classic and Post Classic motorcycling and hope that people who are running these organisations that control the sports take an active part in the site.
I mean, what better way to relay to a group of members than through the Internet, where it is available to get a clear and easy understanding of what is happening in their sport from the people who control the rules and regulations.
We had You must be logged in to see this link. (President MA) log on and create an account, and then never log back on again, so what sort of message is that sending to the people who ride Classic and Post Classic motorcycles.
No one else is game enough to right it, but I am, the current system stinks. If you are not a real close friend of someone, then you have become nobody, no one wants to know your point. Am I right or wrong? It is what I have been seeing in the attitude of these organisations since starting this site in August 2000.
My $1.14 worth on the subject.
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David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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john
Forum Moderator
Victoria
3130 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 5:50:54 PM
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| I am aware that some sites do not produce any real discussions because people partake in "flaming" wherby they abuse or ridicule the comments of others. Maybe the actions of Alan Greening where he seems to abuse anybody with a different view, causes others to keep quite. I am amzed how many people mention to me at the track or over the phone and off site with emails that they have read the site and yet there are only 2 or 3 people who actively make comment on any issue. I note that you too david have asked why people who log on do not make any comment. I have to admit lately I too have wondered why I bother, and the plans we discussed with you to have this site as the HMRAV discussion site are currently on hold. I do not know how a site becomes interactive with many of its registered members, but I am aware that the F2 Sidecars Australia site was very interactive as was the Sidecar world one where many issues were covered by more people. Perhaps it is the nature of web discusions that only a few actually partake. As a Secretary I must admit it has been easier to get ideas moulded, even with a limited imput. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
' there are those who do, those who dont do and those who undo. We must lampoon the latter." |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 6:15:32 PM
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You see that is the problem there John. You are now having a go at me and Allan as we have something to say, well at least we have the balls to get up here and say something. quote:
Originally posted by john
I am aware that some sites do not produce any real discussions because people partake in "flaming" wherby they abuse or ridicule the comments of others. Maybe the actions of Alan Greening where he seems to abuse anybody with a different view, causes others to keep quite. I am amzed how many people mention to me at the track or over the phone and off site with emails that they have read the site and yet there are only 2 or 3 people who actively make comment on any issue. I note that you too david have asked why people who log on do not make any comment. I have to admit lately I too have wondered why I bother, and the plans we discussed with you to have this site as the HMRAV discussion site are currently on hold. I do not know how a site becomes interactive with many of its registered members, but I am aware that the F2 Sidecars Australia site was very interactive as was the Sidecar world one where many issues were covered by more people. Perhaps it is the nature of web discusions that only a few actually partake. As a Secretary I must admit it has been easier to get ideas moulded, even with a limited imput.
Others do "BACK ROOM DEALS" and you allow it to happen. Have you seen others who create a site that is for them to get there and make comments publicly, I think not, and most of the other sites in Australia that had message areas have shut them down as no one could be bothered letting their intentions known because of the fact of the stigma where their comment meant jack squat cause you lot would do your own thing anyway.
That is what I have been seeing over the years I have been running this site.
For those that come past and view the messages and can not be bothered commenting, well get off your anus and speak-up before your sport craps it's self and the HMRAV does become the Harry's Modern Racing Association of Victoria, as Allan put it.
This does not only apply to Victoria, but New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, Northern Territory, Tasmainia, Western Australia or for that matter the rest of Austrlia. You are all screwing up your sport, cause you sit on the fence and say jack squat.
"Fight for your sport people, or pay more to go to another"
Now there is at $200000000000000000000000.00 worth of comment from me. |
Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 6:59:20 PM
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John. Don't worry too much about the lack of active participation, there is a hell of a lot of passive participation which means that people are reading the topics and making up their minds and probably talking to others. So that means the forum is working and when you look at the steadilly increasing reads for topics you'd have to agree the forun is becoming more popular, let it grow and more will eventually post replies and new topics.
I may have said that there is probably interest for post 1980 bikes, there are plenty of them around and there is a defacto Period 6. I'm not interested in it though.
I don't agree in putting effort into promoting later classes at the expence of the traditional historic classes. By definition this site is for the promotion of classics, and today that means P1 thru to P5.
A forum like this should fight like mad to keep those periods alive, not buggerise around with promoting later bikes or supporting new hybrid classes. More modern bikes are easier to come by, a lot cheaper, and could replace true historics if allowed to. We should acknowledge them but not promote them at the expence of recognised historics.
Historic car racing obviously has a cut off point, I'd be interested to know what it is, at Historic Winton for instance I've never noticed anything later than a Charger or XU1, and I douibt the Austin 7 Club would want to modern bikes at that meeting.
On the other subject, you're assumption that no comment on a topic can be read as support, is "to use an engineering term" fundementally flawed. I would think more the answer would be more along the the lines of "insuficient baseline data to draw a credible conclusion" but then I'm scientist and we probably approach things differntly. Think of the vocal minority and the silent majority.
Anyway you've got my full support as HMRAV Secretary, the same support David has as the host of this forum. I support Alan G's comments because they are grassroots and I enjoy Alan C's comments because they are regulary provocative and challenging which make people think.
All in all its a good forum and getting bigger and more read. There are going to be fireworks over some topics, I hope everyone hangs around for the show.
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 17 Feb 2003 : 7:08:09 PM
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Well said Al..
I like it... 
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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Former Member
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Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 09:47:56 AM
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And there are a lot of people who are not interested in the politics
Not comfortable exprtessing themselves in public
Embarrassed by public spelling and literacy errors
And just want to ride not Yack about it!!!!!! |
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David
Site Administrator
Australia
999 Posts |
Posted - 18 Feb 2003 : 10:06:45 AM
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Micael,
Then why are there people who register, then don't bother doing anything?quote:
Originally posted by michaelc
And there are a lot of people who are not interested in the politics
Not comfortable exprtessing themselves in public
Embarrassed by public spelling and literacy errors
And just want to ride not Yack about it!!!!!!
I know I am not the best speller, and there are a few others that can not either, but they give it a shot.
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Regards,
David
Webmaster & Owner of Classic Motorcycling Australia
Quote: I thought I wanted a career, turns out I just wanted to be paid. |
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