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john
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Victoria
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 Posted - 15 Jan 2003 : 11:43:00 PM
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Is there scope for a category based on a single cylinder 4 stroke two valve donk,unit or pre unit gear box with 5 gears only, any frame up to 1985, single disc front and rear, a minimum weight limit to encourage specials to hit the track with a minimum of restrictions but some realistic approaches to ensure people enter a machine.. Would it encourage more interesting bikes and racing at the track. It could be run as a handicapped event to keep the racing close.
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John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 08:47:30 AM
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Here's a suggestion for you, John:
How about next year we run an Historic 500cc GP? It would take negotiation to arrange it with the promoters of other historic events around Australia, but basically the series would involve two events per meeting. The results to be decided on a points basis.
Eligibility: machines must be non-unit construction single cylinder four strokes of 500cc capacity. Any single cylinder four stroke machine already eligible for P3 or P4 is deemed to be eligible (exception for unit construction 450cc Ducatis and BSA victors, CCMs). Maximum number of gears for non P3 or P4 eligible machines to be five. Minimum wheel size eighteen inches. Brakes may be drum or single disc (single spot caliper)front and rear. Frames must be constructed of round section tube, any material may be used. Forks must be conventional (no upside down, or antidive). Engines must be non-unit, 500cc single cylinder four stroke (ANY speedway engine of ANY year,which is non-unit is eligible). Fuel to be methanol or petrol.
Discussion : With these event rules we would exclude all unit European and Jap bikes, and all two strokes. We would encourage building of fast pre-unit four stroke single cylinder machines. By allowing single disc brakes we would remove the $2500 cost of the four leading shoe drum brakes essential for P3 racing, and place everyone on a more or less equal footing. The disadvantage of having a drum brake in a P3 or P4 bike in these events, would be offset by the allowance of six gears. By allowing use of ANY single cylinder four stroke speedway engine, we would place a good power source in everyone's hands. I wouldn't expect a late four valve Jawa to beat an Andy Molnar Manx, but it'd give it a fright. Anyone building a bike for these events could also run in Supermono, however I note the Supermono rules allow motors of capacity of larger than 500cc (very silly as it's the same old story, the bloke who has the largest motor (and bankroll) wins).
Personally this type of racing would solve my problem of getting a decent motor into the Mk3 Seeley and being competitive. A Tony Rutter G50 Matchless engine costs $15000, and a Nourish twin $11000. While it would make my bike a genuine item (with the G50 engine), it wouldn't be competitive in P4. Why would you build a fast twin of 750cc capacity in P4 while the two strokes are there?
LET'S RACE
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john
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Posted - 16 Jan 2003 : 11:46:48 PM
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| What would be the problem of an option of unit or pre unit gear boxes? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 17 Jan 2003 : 3:17:39 PM
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The intention behind the class would be to encourage classic racing which would be an extension of what occurred in the fifties. We had very few unit construction motors, consequently the handling characteristic of the bikes was limited by the need to accomodate separate gearbox and motor. 450 Ducatis and 444 Aermacchis are both six speed and five speed, they are lighter and handle better than any separate gearbox bike. Also the use of unit KTM, Husquvarna, Honda, suzuki and Yamaha motocross motors would be eliminated. So the field would have the appearance of a 'classic field', there would be no 'chook chasers'. These bikes are accomodated in Supermono, and Supermotard.
The class would encourage the guys to ride something with the advantages and disadvantages of a fifties bike. Effectively anyone could build the equivalent to the best ever British single - the Seeley G50 of about 1968 (a replica frame with a four valve Jawa, and Triumph Gearbox). I don't have a problem with someone riding an SR500 Yamaha in this class, but when it comes to five valve watercooled unit construction Yamahas we have gone well away from classic racing.
Another thing, people riding P3 and P4 bikes with primary chains would be at a cost disadvantage to anyone with, say an SR500 Yamaha who doesn't have to buy the expensive five speed gearbox, and the belt drive.
I suggest the class would be a great leveller, as anyone can by a suitable nonunit speedway motor, with good power, reasonably cheaply.
The bikes would look the part, and anyone who wants to compete in Inca could simply buy a George Beale G50 motor for $30,000, put it in their frame and be eligible for an international class.
To do this thing properly would cost a rider the following:
Four Valve Jawa engine - $1500, Replica Seeley Mk3 Frame and tanks, Wheels $1000, Ceriani Forks $600, Fork Yokes $400, Seat $200, Triumph Gearbox with CR conversion, $2000 - Total about $7000. For that you get something which is equal to the best, compare that with a George Beale G50, or an Andy Molnar/Fred Walmsley Manx, which can cost up to $80,000.
I know some of the guys will say we would be racing 'moderns' if we use fairly late motors, such as a laydown Jawa, but if you look at an Andy Molnar Manx, I believe he usually includes one genuine Norton part in each motor (often a washer). Apart from that not one other part fits a genuine Manx, as built in the Norton factory in 1962.
So are we racing 'historic bikes' or 'moderns'?
I think the important thing is that the bike fits the appearance criteria for a historic bike- eighteen or nineteen inch wheels, dual shock rear suspension, unless its a Vincent, separate gearbox, no upside down forks, round section tube frame unless its an NSU, or a 56 Aerial,
I don't have a problem with Andy Molnar Manxes, all I want is to be able to have a reasonably fair go at them, without paying the $80000.
It Sh*ts me when someone wants to pay these sums of money to feed their egos, by beating guys on the genuine item, with what is effectively a bike with twenty years later technology.
We are never going to develop a purist class for Manxes etc, and I for one wouldn't be interested in it. I'm interested in developing a fifties style bike to be competitive.
Let's use up all the old speedway motors, there are thousands of them lying around all over the world, and I don't see the difference between using one of them or the $45,000 B*llsh*t Manx engine.
Let us race something on which we are capable of beating Craig Morris and Barry Sheene. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 18 Jan 2003 : 09:13:52 AM
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| Surely there is a difference betwen "classic" and historic. Maybe there is scope for different levels depending on the engine date of manufacture to include the 1950's engines and the later unit constuction to allow for the different age interests of potential riders. Perhaps one problem with Historic racing is that many want to keep it pre historic and so the 30 yo riders who could not care about a manx are excluded. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 18 Jan 2003 : 11:53:51 AM
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John, On futher thought perhaps we are too concerned by what is classic or historic. An Historic 500cc GP series could involve AIRCOOLED 500cc Single Cylinder Four Strokes of any year of manufacture, as long as they fit the 'rules'. This would allow SR500, and IT500 Yamahas to run, but if the rules insist that the frames must be made of round section tube, twin shock rear end, and no upside down forks, you would have a fairly evenly matched field.
the field would have the appearance of a 'historic or classic' race, and the difficulties in making the machines go would be similar.
On the matter of handicapping, I believe handicaps are dangerous when fast riders pass slower riders. A better way to go would be to grade riders A,B, and C, and when the numbers get up in the series, run separate races. In any case there should be separate trophies for each grade. When running races start the A graders five seconds in front.
In doing this you will probably make a C grader on an Indian Enfield (with a little preparation) competitve in his class. The A graders will have Andy Molnar Manxes, George Beale G50s, and Seeley (four valve) Jawas/Weslakes. Blokes with normal P3 and P4 singles, would probably be in B grade, except for Keith Campbell. |
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Posted - 19 Jan 2003 : 10:42:19 PM
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Now I've heard it all. Grade riders by the bike they ride and not their ability? There is only one way to become an A Grader and that is to prove yourself.
I also seriously doubt a P4 Seeley/894 Jawa special could hold a candle to a 95 bore Manx. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 20 Jan 2003 : 06:25:03 AM
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When a rider gets upgraded, it's the result of the rider/machine combination. Most A graders are very smooth and competent, their machines are usually the best in Australia, but a bit behind international machines. The upgrading is on the basis of results in competition. Unfortunately noone seems to ever watch Historic races and upgrade riders, it only happens at 'modern' races.
I still seriously believe a fairly modern four valve Jawa in a Seeley Frame would beat a 95mm bore Andy Molnar Manx. It is much lighter, and four valves beat two any day. In fact I'd be surprised if the Andy Molnar Manx is any faster than the old Henderson Matchless was when Ron rode it, (even if the boys did give it a bit of nitro, so perhaps that's a bit unfair).
In any case, how about giving us the opportunity to find out! I'm quite prepared to put a Jawa into my MK3 Seeley, if you can guarantee I will get enough competitive rides to justify the expense of building it.
Mike Farrells two valve Jawa is competitive with standard manxes, how does an extra ten horsepower sound, because that's about the difference between a two valve and a four valve Jawa.
Ron Toombs, where are you? We need you now! |
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john
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 12:44:35 PM
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| Here we are back into the old ways of mines bigger than yours. Lets just stick to the question "Can we get more bikes / riders to the track if we recognised a single cylinder 500cc machine" I have had a talk around the traps and there is not a lot of support most think why do it?.But I do think that a bit of variation on the current classes may work. Maybe I need to put up a trophy for the first eligible machine under this proposal to push the case for such a classification. Is there a precident for specific prizes within a class? |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 2:22:31 PM
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At the historic meeting a couple of months ago there was a very well prepared SR500 Yamaha which went really well and finished up mid field in the P4 unlimited race. It would have been much better to see it race against the older P3 manxes, matchlesses and AJS's. There are only a couple of P4 500cc singles (one is ridden by a girl). There are no P5 single cylinder four strokes.
The reason for doing this new class is to promote an entry class for single cylinder 500cc four strokes, which can get young guys into historic racing. Any young guy who wants to buy a manx has to have $40,000 , if he wants a rotten old matchless in a featherbed frame, he needs about $14000 to play with.
If he gets an Enfield frame and stuffs a norton gearbox, and a Jawa motor into it, it'll cost him about $5000. A four valve in this configuration, would have the potential to compete with the best.
THAT'S WHY I THINK WE SHOULD START THIS CLASS!
John, I don't think you need a precedent to do anything in motorcycle racing, as long as it's safe, and OK with the union (MA). I asuggest promotion of the proposal is essential, and your trophy would be most acceptable to the first winner of the event.
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john
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 4:20:42 PM
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| Precidents just make it easy to make a point. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 7:32:25 PM
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OK John, Let's talk about precedents. Early last year Allan and David Greening donated a trophy at a meeting (to be unnamed), their effort wasn't even acknowledged. In the history of road racing in Victoria, the riders rarely ever got prizemoney, or trophies in open road races. At the same time (up to thye early 80s)meetings held under the auspices of the Speedway Control Council paid start money for riders starting 'behind the gate', and travel expenses in some cases. There was certainly prize money for winning, so much so that most riders were able to buy a new Jawa each year. (That's why there are so many motors lying around). The contrast between speedway and road racing was so marked that riders like Ray Bann and Max Engellener remarked about speedway: 'How good is this? You do what you love and get paid forit'.
There haven't been many well promoted road race meetings, with the possible exception of the Swann Insurance Series. I believe, road race meeting promoters typically, haven't chased support from sponsors for prize money or trophies.
While the sport has such a low profile the spiral must be downwards. I suggest that MA/MV have a bit to answer for. I believe that the sort of money Stan Hakin paid riders is probably not available today. The sport has certainly diminished in the hands of our current union.
A simple comparison - the top road racer in the early 70s - John Maher (King of Calder), made enough in one year to buy a new GT Falcon. Not many road racers made anything like John made - I believe most speedway riders would have made this easily.
I certainly hope HMRAV follow your lead and have a good try at getting the sport to a higher level.
I believe that for a long time, we badly needed the sort of confidence John Daley is showing now. I strongly support his approach, it will benefit all of us. |
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 27 Jan 2003 : 10:27:32 PM
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| I was not so much thinking of cash prizes but I also see what you were talking about. I am aware there is a lot of resistance to cash prizes within the HMRAV. But the note about companies getting airplay with promotion is noted. I am aware that there are a number of riders Max Hooper, Wickham Tooling and Peter Breese of Scallywag socks for two who do advertise to help the sport. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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Allan
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 06:50:04 AM
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 Mac park tried Prize money  but that only happened once to my knowlage (hey i won $75;00)but they never did it again, so one can only guess that it did not work!! about 1999 When you become an "OLD" fart like me the DOE means nort so trophys are best "BUT" make them good like You must be logged in to see this link. have given for the 'Oldies" meet |
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 08:32:11 AM
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I'm not big on prize money myself, however I think promoters should pay travel expenses for their best (interstate) competitors. Where would the PI meeting be without the Craig Morris/Ray Berry Manx, the two Triumph Tridents (one of which Guesty rode), the John Trease/Martin Hone Harley, and those good Ducatis from SA?
I am certain the sport can be good enough to be able to pay a few guys some support. We need to consider which side our bread is buttered on.
In the old road race scene a few of my mates won prize money, it wasn't enough to even buy a tyre or a can of fuel. A good trophy generates a bit more self-esteem.
As far as the Aircooled 500cc Fourstroke class is concerned - what I suggest is that a championship series should be run, (a mini Swann Series if you like) over three meetings, with a trophy for each leg, and the final. Call it a Historic TT or GP series.
For the series, let's not specify any 'period', however the fact that the bikes must be aircooled 500cc fourstroke, is sufficient to limit the latest bikes to the early seventies. In running this event we'll really see how good the old manxes and G50s were. I doubt that sr500 Yamahas or later frames with speedway engines will have a great effect on the Craig Morris/Ray Berry Manx, but at least the guys will be able to have a good go at them!
There must be thousands of two valve and four valve Jawa, Weslake, Godden and GM motors lying about all over the world - most speedway riders who are any good buy a new bike each year. Using these, means the average guy has access to a good powerplant without the pain and the sacrilege of modifying (destroying) valuable fifties road motors.
Anything built using these motors would have separate gearbox, and the frame would have the same design constraints that the Manx had when it was first built.
I believe this class of racing would be very competitive. It would provide excellent entry level into historic road racing for young guys - it's similar to Supermono so the guys would get a ride at modern meetings. It'd teach the young guys how to build a bike - something they need to know if historic racing is to survive.
There is potential for aftermarket engine and frame builders like Bob Martin ( and Neil Street)to make a quid from the sport - something they need if their support is to continue. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 08:47:57 AM
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One more thing about this Aircooled 500cc Single class- we need a good sponsor for the series, and publicity, even if it is only on the radio, however coverage on Fox Sport would be excellent. I suggest we should work towards a situation which shows bikes like the Craig Morris/Ray Berry Manx at its best against a very competitive field.
I believe if we can develop something really good, we can 'sell it'. Let's concentrate a bit on this class. In the past the Period 4 500cc singles have been the 'darlings' of historic racing. If we develop the class without looking too closely how modern the engines are, we can have something which is for all intents and purposes 'historic', but sustainable.
(When INCA come here next time, let's give them a big fright! We should use them as part of the promotion.) |
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David
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 09:09:37 AM
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Alan & John,
We donated, not once but twice. And are considering doing it again this year.
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Originally posted by acotrel
OK John, Let's talk about precedents. Early last year Allan and David Greening donated a trophy at a meeting (to be unnamed), their effort wasn't even acknowledged.
We got nothing from it, and no one wanted to know about it in an official capacity. This can not be good for the sport, when you have a site like this, who promotes Classic/Post Classic racing in Australia, and we do not get any support apart from John who is also trying to kick anything in Histroric motorcycle racing back up there.
It is like there are people out there, that want to give Classic/Post Classic racing in Australia a funeral and want to make sure it is dead. These people need to get off their rear ends and start doing something about it. Christ, I am trying, Allan & John are trying and so are the few die hards.. The controlling bodies need to get off their ****s and start to promote the sport.
To give you an idea of the cost of the trophy we (www.classicmotorcycling.com.au) supplied last year, it was a little over $180.00, but the winner was happy.
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john
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Victoria
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Posted - 28 Jan 2003 : 3:53:37 PM
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| Maybe perpetual trphies might be better value with a small one each year to keep. |
John Daley Sidecar #68
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 29 Jan 2003 : 08:16:42 AM
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John, I think your idea of a perpetual trophy (to be handed on) with replicas a winner can keep, is a good one.
I suggest the Single Cylinder Aircooled 500cc Series could have the trophy presented to the winner each year. The decision to be made on the basis of points from three meetings.
I believe this class is really worth concentrating on, as the bikes would almost be eligible to race in the InCA round (they'd cetrtainly get a start in Australia). I sincerely believe that, in the past the only class really worth racing in has been the P3 500cc. Trouble is the brake costs $2500, and the gearbox $6000 for a good P3 bike.
The new class will have a few bikes in it which will give Craig Morris/Ray Berry a hard time, however some of the guys will probably get up to InCA standard. I hope the guys will be tolerant of the use of single discs and fairly modern motors in some bikes. Effectively the class should involve a high degree of competitiveness.
P.S. It would be nice if someone could get Mike Farrell to comment on this forum. He runs a two valve Jawa in a featherbed frame at most meetings and goes like a rocket. I would be interested in his comments on the proposed feature races, in the 500cc Single Series. |
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john
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Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 5:59:54 PM
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| Can we stick to the point about whether or not there is any support for this hybrid 500 aircooled single that excludes factory Production road races ie Manx, G50, 7R, Vincent grey flash, and permits the use of post 1972 speedway donks.It is envisged non unit construction would be the common machine. Any comments for or against are welcome. |
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Posted - 12 Feb 2003 : 10:53:20 PM
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| John, I would have thought that motorcycles of that configuration in a non Japanese frame already qualify as a bears eligible machines and if built light enough with good brakes and frame would be competative as bears machines or in forgotten era. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 13 Feb 2003 : 04:38:19 AM
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| Ron, I believe you are entirely correct, and I believe a 500cc BEARS class would be great. However you need to look at what also can run. There are 500cc Pantahs, the Bruce Kinnersley Montesa, similarly legal Bultacos, a 1977 Laverda Montjuich would be great in this class.(The current Laverda Ghost engine is identical externally and is 660cc) In short there are a few bikes which would outclass the singles. I think John wants to exclude Manxes and G50s to make the class an entry level into Historic racing, in which a young guy could spend about $5000 and actually be competitive. In some ways I agree with him. |
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john
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Posted - 13 Feb 2003 : 09:59:27 AM
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| I do not think the Non Japanese aspect has ever been part of the discusion. This is a 500 single, with discs, any frame, catering across the periods but up to 1980, but excluding the machines already catered for, which generally would have drums anyway. The idea being to drag in 20 -35 year olds who dont know about manxs, but are red hot on more modern stuff. The idea of using the speedway donks is simply because there are lots of them around. Perhaps they may be slipped into a Jap frame with discs or a BSA frame with different, but not upside down forks,and presented on the track for action. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 13 Feb 2003 : 6:30:20 PM
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I think in the early stages of this class, the field would consist of mainly Period 2 and Period 3 500cc Four strokes, but no Manxes or G50s. What would also be included would be the two SR500 Yamahas which go pretty well in Period 4. Later on someone might actually build a Period 5 machine with a 4 valve Jawa, or GM or Godden motor, and perhaps a Japanese frame (unlikely), or a Seeley, or a Rickman, or a BSA or Enfield would also be OK.
What it means is that fifties collectable bikes wouldn't have to be cannibalised for bits. The bikes would still be essentially historic, mainly non-unit construction. There would be a ready supply of reasonably fast motors. Everyone has the same problem of getting a good gearbox. If we permit single disc brakes to be used, everone has about the same stoppers. (you can choose to use drums if you think they're good enough).
It just means that there is an affordable $5000 startup class for beginners, makes it comparable with racing an RS125. Also it would be a rider dependent class rather than machine dependent, for $5000 you should be able to get up front, if you're good enough. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 13 Feb 2003 : 6:47:26 PM
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Incidentally, I've been offered a reasonable 4 valve Jawa, and if were going to do this thing, I'll build it into the Seeley instead of buying a 750 Nourish engine. I don't think we have any Period 5 500cc single four strokes racing yet. I only know of one such bike which was factory made, it was an Husquvarna, and it would be excluded under the proposed rules.
If you are worried 4 valve Jawas might be too fast, a 4 valve isn't that much faster than a two valve, and a poorly prepared 4 valve is often slower. These Jawa motors seem to be every where, seems a pity not to use them. I'm sure Neil Street knows where there are literally hundreds. So why go to the expense of modifying, and potentially destroying the good fifties motors, when a Jawa looks the part has all the old problems and is essentially a fifties or sixties motor (except it's reliable)?
I know what is proposed is not Period 3 racing, however you might think of it as an extension of it. If two strokes and multi cylinder bikes hadn't come alomg, this is what we'd be racing now. |
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Allan
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 07:13:53 AM
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| what r u trying to do restart the 500cc SOS class? there r several SR500 around, seen 2 of them at mac park,and 1 seating in workshop here! wot use is it |
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 11:34:33 AM
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| You call that a special im puting a CR500 in a 125 lc now that should go a bit |
Thrash to the max you power band crazy fools "two strokes rool" |
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acotrel
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 12:44:10 PM
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Call it 'sounds of singles' if you like, but there was a young guy with an SR500 Yamaha at Winton last October who went very well in at least 2 P4 races. He has my congratulations on the way he had prepared the bike and got it going, he rode superbly. The SR500 appeared to be going as well as a really good Goldie, and it would be interesting to see it run against good P3 bikes.
Seems unfair to lump it in with 500cc two strokes and Homnda fours.
Allan, that SR500 you've got could give some young guy a competitive start, if we had this aircooled 500cc four stroke class going.
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john
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 1:54:16 PM
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| What about the concept of having this "class" develop and have a Trophy offered for any machine that fits the ultimate criteria developed here. I can say there has been some committee support for the idea of thes trophies if somebody does the work and puts up the Trophy.It may also work for say 350 Honda , 750 Twin etc |
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acotrel
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 5:48:35 PM
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Are you suggesting some kind of competitor's medallion for fronting with a complying machine? Sounds like a positive approach.
In this 'Sounds of Singles' class, there might be a few sixties and seventies aircooled fourstroke motocross engines that could be used, but I still think the rules should say 'no chook chasers'. We should end up with a field of fairly evenly matched single cylinder 500cc four strokes. We need to find a good name for the formula - perhaps Senior Classic TT class, might suit, or something similar. |
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acotrel
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Posted - 14 Feb 2003 : 6:05:07 PM
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| I'd really like to see the young guy with the SR500 I mentioned, race against Keith Campbell with one of George's Matchlesses or the new Jawa they've built. I don't think the SR500 would be faster than George's bikes, either the rigid framed one or the featherbed. I think it would be a very interesting race. Unfortunately it'll take the new formula to see it happen. |
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