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 Posted - 20 Jun 2001 : 4:01:25 PM
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I have received my copy of the Supplementary Regulations for this meeting.This a meeting that we in Queensland look forward to each year. However it is somewhat disappointing to find that this year we have become a support event to the F1/F2 Sidecar Races.
I note that to take my Classic Senior Machine down to the meeting, that I will be able to race in 3 events giving me a total of 10 laps over 3 races.
Off course I can also ride the Norton in a all powers race and two unlimited races against 1300cc machines.
The F1/F2 sidecars will be allowed 2 Qual periods of 20 minutes each, a 10 minute warm up period, and 2 races over 18 laps. I will not be towing my bike down to Eastern Creek for a total of 3 races comprising 10 laps.
Are these the NSW Classic Road Race Championships or the NSW F1/F2 Sidecar Championships.
Reckless
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Allan
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Posted - 20 Jun 2001 : 6:58:18 PM
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well once again it looks like we get ripped off, are MANSW holding the state classic champs, or are they running a round of the sidecars and using classic to fill the space?
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Posted - 11 Jul 2001 : 12:22:47 PM
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Are these the NSW Classic Road Race Championships or the NSW F1/F2 Sidecar Championships.
Reckless
They are both Mr Newitt.
Sorry this reply is a bit late But I had more important things to do than reply to ill informed and biased opinions. Now to muddy this discusson with facts, Mr Newitt or Reckless as he seems to want to call himself on this site has once again got all his facts wrong.
We, the HRR, are running the NSW Classic titles with the modern sidecars as a featured support class. We have run and are again running Post Classic's as a support class. If Mr Newitt was to look over previous years he would discover that we always run support classes at the NSW championships. We have to, Eastern Creek cost in excess of $15,000 just to hire the tar for the weekend, with all other costs added in it gives us a bill that no other Classic promoter in the country has to cope with. The sidecars are included this year to help cover the cost of the track hire. We could have just raised entry fees but decided as NO CLASSIC CHAMPIONSHIP CLASS WOULD BE DISADVANTAGED by their inclusion it would be the better way to go. I did put all that in capitals just so Ron might be able to read it through his 'aren't I great' rose coloured glasses.
You will note that apart from the 125cc class who unfortunatly have not been able to fill a grid for years and the combination of the 500's and Unlimited class in one handicap we're running the same number of races for classic as we have for many many yeas, we actually added 4 races for historic bikes this year. 6 if you include the Class C experiement.
That's right More historic races not less. More for the same price as last year and Mr Newitt in a State Title Event. DO you remember when Qld offered a State title Oh the good old days.
I'm also very dissapointed by Mr Greening's comments. What rip off? Please check your facts before putting mouth into gear. Maybe even ring the promoter before posting this misinformation.
As for Mr Newitt not coming down this year Gee Ron we'll miss you.
If anyone would like to discuss this further I can be contacted on 0408 662 977 anytime.
Dave Morgan
VP HRR
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Posted - 11 Jul 2001 : 1:29:25 PM
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Dave
I think one of the great things about this web site is that it gives historic racers the opportunity to air their opinions in a public forum. Ron could have sat back and just voted with his feet and not turned up to your event. However, he chose to air his concerns and give you and anybody else the opportunity to respond with their opinions. Personally I think this is great, so we should encourage it as a friendly and open forum and keep the knives sheathed. It's given you the opportunity to clarify what you have done and why you feel you've had to do it.
On the issue of what our club did at the recent Lakeside Classic meeting, I ask you to talk to anyone who came to the meeting whether it was run any differently, or was any less enjoyable or successful than any of our previous championship meetings. The decision not to run a State championship was the result of a consensus decision that there was very little for us, the riders, in calling it a championship meeting - just additional MA costs. We chose to put that money towards encouraging more participants by offering free entry to interstate riders (more than 800 k from Brisbane). MAQ has since come back to us and undertaken to waive the additional charges for a championship meeting as it is in their interests to maintain the championship profile. From now on the Lakeside Classic will once again be a State championship meeting.
As to how to attract more entries, we've all got our views on that. Obviously free entry doesn't help the bottom line, but decent fields certainly bring the spectators back next year. Our belief is that the more we water down what is currently a pretty successful formula, the more historic riders we'll lose. Period 2 was poorly supported at our meeting. We'll be doing everything we can to encourage more people to enter in this class next year rather than replacing it with another class. We've tried a number of things to encourage even older bikes to participate. We promote a hand change class, which has been successful in the past. We now have a few members who want to get a period 1 fraternity going. Wouldn't that add to our meetings - 10 or a dozen direct drive veterans out there - let's hope it happens.
I think all of us hope that you have a successful meeting in Sydney, and we're glad we don't have the level of costs to cover that you obviously have. However, I personally agree with Ron that the modern sidecars are a bit too far away from the historic racing scene.
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acotrel
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Victoria
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Posted - 15 Jul 2001 : 02:34:19 AM
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Dave, I empathise with your situation, there is nothing worse than doing the work and being criticised. However I was interested in your comments and have taken them on board, I hope you would do the same with the comments on this forum, however misinformed they might be. You obviously know the truth with about the NSW Championships, but what the riders feel about the situation is also important. We should try to improve our sport, it's not reinventing the wheel. Personally I raced over a twenty year period (up to about 1985), I was always disappointed with the spectator and competitor turn up, so I never made a large investment in racing bikes, It just wasn't worth it. I'm sure we can make our sport better, I just don't know that running modern sidecars with historic bikes is the way to go. Perhaps what we should do is 'ask the customer what he/she wants'.
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